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Post by NachtcGleiskette » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:01 pm

I saw this on the Colbert Report and went to find the article and here it is!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01162.html

Ok, so, bright side! Acceptance that homosexuality is not a choice and people are born this way.

However. Who the hell would be so dumb to try to screw with their unborn's hormones? Who the hell would listen to a reverand and a church regarding prenatal care and how to use hormones against your fetus?

Really, I don't know everything about fetal growth and development, but I do know that introducing shit to it that doesn't belong usually just ends in screwed up babies.

And come ON. Why can't people live and let live? The sooner these people just accept gays exist and will always exist, the happier their lives will be. And more fabulous! :P
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Post by Slarti » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:15 pm

This is the possibility that, if a biological marker (real or not) is ever claimed to mark homosexuality in prenatal testing, widespread abortion of such babies might well follow,"
WTF!? The whole thing is crazy, but the idea that parents would abort a baby because it was gay.... those kinds of parents need not be parents.

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Post by NachtcGleiskette » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:32 pm

Likely, the type of person who would abort a child for being gay is the same person who'd be pro-life...what a conundrum!
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Post by kamizzi » Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:54 pm

Huh? yeah, let's begin an extinction.
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Post by Saint Kurt » Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:12 pm

Originally posted by NachtcGleiskette
Likely, the type of person who would abort a child for being gay is the same person who'd be pro-life...what a conundrum!
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Post by wingyding » Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:29 pm

welcome to my region of the world. A lot of people own here are vehemently anti abortion, to the point of attacking people coming in and going out of clinics, and yet they'd never think twice over aborting their own child if there was half a hint it would be gay.

And these same people wonder why, once people have been outed, they no longer attend services. I mean damn, people. Whatever happened to the 'treat others as you would be treated' that your teachers told you in grade school?
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Post by Angelique » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:52 pm

Harsh is right.
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Post by fourpawsonthefloor » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:21 pm

I'll agree its harsh...but do you disagree with the statement?

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Post by NachtcGleiskette » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:38 pm

It was a generalizing statement, I will admit, and I didn't mean it to be taken so generally. I am just pointing out that people who are anti-gay usually run on the conservative side of things, including being pro-life. So, who exactly is the reverand trying to stop from having abortions because their child is gay??

Unless the tide changes when people find out their unborn is gay. Which...well, for some the issue is always different when it actually effects them.
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Post by Garble » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:22 am

Originally posted by NachtcGleiskette
Who the hell would be so dumb to try to screw with their unborn's hormones?
"Hmm... gay... or flipper baby... gay... or flipper baby... hmm...."

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Post by Angelique » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:37 am

Originally posted by fourpawsonthefloor
I'll agree its harsh...but do you disagree with the statement?

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Yes, I do. With the exception of Phelps and his ilk, I don't believe that anyone who opposes elective abortion would change their mind in order to kill a gay fetus. Those who would are simply against abortion when it's convenient for them to be so, not truly pro-life.

Also, being pro-life never has been a cut and dried matter of being liberal or conservative. There are, after all, a lot of liberal pro-life organizations around. I've thrown in my support for Democrats for Life and Feminists for Life, for starters.
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Post by Freak » Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:58 pm

You know, without being the bad guy, but I would tend to the abortion of a homosexual child.

This has totally nothing to do with being homophobic or stuff like that, just imagine: You probably will never have grandchildren (at least the normal way, adoption and other practices left aside), you will have to raise a child that probably will never have the same sexual orientation as you (which makes raising it that much harder), and finally, all the hardships your gay kid will have to go through, you won't be able to offer it a life that is, by the majority of society, considered as normal.

All parents who "end up" with a gay child are doing so completely coincidentally, and not only a few come out as brilliant parents, but be honest: Do you think they would have even remotely thought they'd be good at it before it happened?
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Post by fourpawsonthefloor » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:01 pm

Originally posted by Angelique
Originally posted by fourpawsonthefloor
I'll agree its harsh...but do you disagree with the statement?

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Yes, I do. With the exception of Phelps and his ilk, I don't believe that anyone who opposes elective abortion would change their mind in order to kill a gay fetus. Those who would are simply against abortion when it's convenient for them to be so, not truly pro-life.

Also, being pro-life never has been a cut and dried matter of being liberal or conservative. There are, after all, a lot of liberal pro-life organizations around. I've thrown in my support for Democrats for Life and Feminists for Life, for starters.
Oh, fully agreed. The statement wasn't that all pro-lifers were pro-aborting-gay-babies, but that pro-aborting-gay-babiers were likely to be pro-life in other circumstances.
You know, without being the bad guy, but I would tend to the abortion of a homosexual child.

This has totally nothing to do with being homophobic or stuff like that, just imagine: You probably will never have grandchildren (at least the normal way, adoption and other practices left aside), you will have to raise a child that probably will never have the same sexual orientation as you (which makes raising it that much harder), and finally, all the hardships your gay kid will have to go through, you won't be able to offer it a life that is, by the majority of society, considered as normal.

All parents who "end up" with a gay child are doing so completely coincidentally, and not only a few come out as brilliant parents, but be honest: Do you think they would have even remotely thought they'd be good at it before it happened?
I had people come up and ask me a similar thing before I concieved my children, as I had a husband of a different race. 'Don't you think they'll be picked on in school.' and all that. Some flat out thought I was doing a bad thing by purposefully concieving bi-racial children. I was stunned.

Needless to say your statement is also a shock. Gay people aren't aliens. You raise a gay child the same way you'd raise any other child, with love, boundaries and acceptance of who they are as a person. Its not rocket science. (well actually being a parent is tough, but that goes across the board).

My kids will 'never be like the majority'. They are different, and kids have already noticed and commented on that. Yes, they will most likely even face some judgement on that into adulthood. Do I regret concieving them? Hell no. And no one should ever feel that judgement for their child, just based on the morons in society. Since when am I going to let the ignorant choose if my child has a right to existance?

Aborting fetuses just based on the fact that they may be gay is abhorent. While I respect the right for women to choose...it is not in my comfort zone to abort for any other reason than profound medical complications or unusual extenuating circumstances.

The actions of this small group of zealots (who obviously only represent a very small part of Christianity - I would think that most Christians would not support this) only proves just how far from God that they really are.

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Post by Angelique » Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:49 pm

Originally posted by fourpawsonthefloor
I had people come up and ask me a similar thing before I concieved my children, as I had a husband of a different race. 'Don't you think they'll be picked on in school.' and all that. Some flat out thought I was doing a bad thing by purposefully concieving bi-racial children. I was stunned.

Needless to say your statement is also a shock. Gay people aren't aliens. You raise a gay child the same way you'd raise any other child, with love, boundaries and acceptance of who they are as a person. Its not rocket science. (well actually being a parent is tough, but that goes across the board).

My kids will 'never be like the majority'. They are different, and kids have already noticed and commented on that. Yes, they will most likely even face some judgement on that into adulthood. Do I regret concieving them? Hell no. And no one should ever feel that judgement for their child, just based on the morons in society. Since when am I going to let the ignorant choose if my child has a right to existance?
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I might also want to mention that kids, depending on how well they're raised, may not care or perhaps may even appreciate how other kids may be different.

Unfortunately, that depends on their parents and other influences. I had to resurrect my "and just what are you looking at?" glare when, on an outing with some of my ethnically diverse extended family, we got a few odd stares.

My cousin was tempted to answer, when confronted with the question, "Aren't you afraid your children will be picked on?" with the following. "Why? Are you afraid your children will pick on mine?"

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Post by fourpawsonthefloor » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:29 am

Yup. And so the same thing goes across the board. If one of my kids is gay, that's just part of who they are - and I love who they are. I just want them to be happy, and do right by others. Unfortunately there is no guarentee of not being picked on. Look at how many white, middle class, normal kids are profoundly bullied.

I don't understand why its so hard for people just to be kind...but I suppose its human nature.

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Post by puppygirl » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:54 pm

Yuuuurk!! :yech The very idea of that makes my skin crawl, and if it was ever possible it's one step closer to designer babies.

I can't help but think of the senario if this ever became true, of the child finding out that thier mother had done this. 1) It's such a violation to the child and 2) "Would mom and dad have hated me if I turned out gay?" That's a real mind-fuck for the kid.
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Post by HoodedMan » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:06 pm

Originally posted by Freak
You know, without being the bad guy, but I would tend to the abortion of a homosexual child.

This has totally nothing to do with being homophobic or stuff like that, just imagine: You probably will never have grandchildren (at least the normal way, adoption and other practices left aside), you will have to raise a child that probably will never have the same sexual orientation as you (which makes raising it that much harder), and finally, all the hardships your gay kid will have to go through, you won't be able to offer it a life that is, by the majority of society, considered as normal.

All parents who "end up" with a gay child are doing so completely coincidentally, and not only a few come out as brilliant parents, but be honest: Do you think they would have even remotely thought they'd be good at it before it happened?
Not to pile on here, Freak, but is an abnormal life not better than no life at all? If you'd be uncomfortable raising a gay child, then one solution is putting it up for adoption. I personally know many, many couples who want to adopt, some of which are queer couples who would be rather more suited than most to raise gay children.

Finally, your last question seems to betray your initial statement. "They" may not have even remotely thought they'd be good at it before it happened, but they turned out all right. The majority of parents do, actually. Fear of failure should not make you reject any new experience entirely.
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Post by The Drastic Spastic » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:54 pm

Originally posted by Guardian-of-Tears

I can't help but think of the senario if this ever became true, of the child finding out that thier mother had done this. 1) It's such a violation to the child and 2) "Would mom and dad have hated me if I turned out gay?" That's a real mind-fuck for the kid.
I dunno. It would depend on a lot of things. Look at the circumcision debate. Millions of men were snipped (altered) by their parents. Their reactions range from "YOU HAD NO RIGHT" to "whatever" to "thanks, mom and dad!"

Oh, I get it. I read the thread before reading the article. Messing with hormones is supposed to prevent abortion. Ha ha ha. What will they think of next.
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