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If it wasn't for this little gem of a news article, I would have never known!

It is things like this that make me reallllly question the right. It's editing, and limiting - lets funnel everyone into this one really narrow minded viewpoint. Wiki, as far as I am aware of, lets all viewpoints (within reason) be heard. Conservapedia? Hah!!

But folks, we wouldn't want you thinking for yourselves...

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Conservapedia is idiocy. As a Wikipedia regular, you'd expect that opinion of me, but really. There's just no hint of NPOV (a neutral point of view), something which I value highly, anywhere on that site, and half of all articles ignore their first "Commandment":

1. Everything you post must be true and verifiable.

And to think there are constantly proposals on Wikipedia aimed at making one of our processes or another more like Conservapedia. Bah.
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go look at their articles on Creationism and Evolution. Did you know that most Evolution proponents are Atheists?? And here I just thought they were intelligent. Thanks Conservapedia.

[Edited on 29/6/07 by NachtcGleiskette]
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Don't go look at their articles; you're just encouraging them. :(

Hey, did you know an individual's beliefs regarding creationism and the theory of evolution appears to influence their views on homosexuality? :surprise

Edit: Punctuation ist nicht gut.

[Edited on 29/6/2007 by HoodedMan]
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You know what I've never been able to figure out? Why is free thought, and open views, such a threat to them? I mean, its like you aren't 'allowed' to see anything, read anything, or hear anything that isn't spoon fed to you from 'safe' sites. Everything else is 'immoral'/bad/wrong.

Scary that.

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Edited to add. So I've been googling since. MUCH amusement and enough for you to throw your hand up at too.

http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/02/22/conservapedia/

http://www.startribune.com/484/story/1264497.html



[Edited on 29/6/07 by fourpawsonthefloor]
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Ugh! It's full of baseless assumptions and re-writes of history. (Did you know Stalin was ultimately defeated by his fellow atheist, Hitler?)

I'm tempted to make a parody "Liberapedia" to show them just what a liberal bias would actually look like.
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OOOOOH!

Oh. Yes. Do that. I'll feed you cookies!

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oy dont, they'll just use it to prove that liberals are trying to sway the people and feed them lies. For some reason, conservatives can say that about liberals, but not vice versa.
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Originally posted by fourpawsonthefloor
You know what I've never been able to figure out? Why is free thought, and open views, such a threat to them?
Because once people start thinking on their own - they fear that they'll figure out religion is the opiate of the masses, and stop believing. Not that the basic moral rules of be good to other people, and don't kill and respect your elders, etc., is bad - but the rest of it is just bunk in my opinion. That goes for all religions. ;)
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Originally posted by JSherlock
Originally posted by fourpawsonthefloor
You know what I've never been able to figure out? Why is free thought, and open views, such a threat to them?
Because once people start thinking on their own - they fear that they'll figure out religion is the opiate of the masses, and stop believing. Not that the basic moral rules of be good to other people, and don't kill and respect your elders, etc., is bad - but the rest of it is just bunk in my opinion. That goes for all religions. ;)
How can you say that? It says RIGHT HERE that atheism and bestiality are inextricably linked!! Do you want your children to grow up fucking cattle? I don't think so.

Forget the thousands of years of philosophical thought that isn't based around a belief in a god. Atheists have no belief, therefore they have no valid philosophy, and therefore no morals QED.
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Originally posted by The Drastic Spastic
Originally posted by JSherlock
Originally posted by fourpawsonthefloor
You know what I've never been able to figure out? Why is free thought, and open views, such a threat to them?
Because once people start thinking on their own - they fear that they'll figure out religion is the opiate of the masses, and stop believing. Not that the basic moral rules of be good to other people, and don't kill and respect your elders, etc., is bad - but the rest of it is just bunk in my opinion. That goes for all religions. ;)
How can you say that? It says RIGHT HERE that atheism and bestiality are inextricably linked!! Do you want your children to grow up fucking cattle? I don't think so.
I must say, I think people who indulge in bestiality have mental problems, not a lack of belief. :( I feel bad for them that have no outlet for their emotions.
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Okay, so only conservatives consider the free exchange of ideas and critical, independent thought a threat?

From what I see, liberals and conservatives are very much alike. Deal out propoganda. Act as if your side can do no wrong. Shout down, mock, or defame anyone who ventures a different opinion. Admit nothing and deny everything. And only lament the decline of civility in debate when the other side uses the same tactics on you.

Really, is insulting conservatives going to lend any credibility to liberal causes, or only prove conservatives "right" about us? J, I think a lot of intelligent people who happen to subscribe to a religion would take exception to the suggestion that they don't think on their own.
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I subscribe to a religion. I would most certainly say I think on my own. I may even consider myself somewhat intelligent.

Many many 'religious' people do think for themselves. That's fab! Please don't take this as religion = bad. Not the case.

However, extremists DON'T. Or rather the leaders do, and you are just supposed to follow along. Its the editing that astounds me.

Wiki article on conservatism Note. Tone neutral. Its not saying conservatives are good or bad. They just are. Its what I'd expect to read in a 'real' encyclopedia.

Conservapedia's article on liberals. Note. Not too bad, though there are warning signs, until you click on any of the links, some of which show that people who believe that way are doomed to burn in hell. Yeah. Neutrality, we love you. I would hope to God that I never see THIS in a 'real' encyclopedia.

I'm not insulting conservatives in general. I'm insulting conservapedia. Big difference. Cause I'm pretty sure not all conservatives agree with everything there either.

And that is exactly the point. Thought = good. Not having to have some severely edited 'special' version of everything that eliminates any viewpoint that is not held as their own. That is what I'm protesting. Not religion or conservatism.
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The original philosophy of liberalism (now sometimes called classical liberalism, or libertarianism in the US)

I almost snorted milk out of my nose when I read than and I wasn't even drinking milk.

Anyway...
I think Conservapedia does itself and it's supposed political philosophy a disservice by defining everything apart from itself as "liberal" in nature. By asserting that Wikipedia has a liberal bias it basically says that the whole internet, and therefore the population in general is liberal. The whole point of wikipedia is that anyone can edit it. How would the big bad liberals go about slanting all that, unless they were the vast majority of people?

And I don't even know how anyone with a hint of intellectual honesty can claim the whole of Wikipedia has liberal bias. Neutrality is considered a virtue there. Sure some entries have slight leanings when the topic is of interest to one group or the other (check out any topic related to guns), but mostly it's pretty good at not taking any sides.
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