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Happened yesterday, but everyone in here probably heard.

• University officials say 33 dead, including a gunman
• Attacks mark deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history

My sympathies to everyone around.

That is seriously fucked up.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech. ... index.html
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Originally posted by Crocodile Hunter
That is seriously fucked up.
Yeah. It sure is.

Thanks Croc. I think everyone here (at my University) is still in shock. There's that feeling that "it happened there, it could have happened anywhere".

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Some people are just screwed up... May God have mercy on the freakin alien's soul.
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That's so sad...

But do you know what really ticks me off?

A. In the first speak of Bush, yep, the very first one he did about it, he right away says that people still should have the right to carry guns, but the laws should be followed...Well, Mr. Bush, I think the problem with the criminals that use guns is that they don't care about the law.

B. Members of the NRA said that this is proof that restricting the use of weapons is dangerous. Would the students have carried weapons, they could have violently ended that killing spree...Too much wrong with this to post all of it...
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Freak: You have a reference for that? I can't find it on the CNN or MSN records.

And maybe that sort of stuff belongs in the danger room.

Back on topic, though: I can't believe this happened. It was all vey surreal, especially since it happened so close to the anniversary of Columbine. So far no motivation for the killing has been giving out, right? It's just terrible and heart-breaking. Especially since I'm touring for colleges at the moment. What gets me is that the admins waited two hours to bother telling the victims' friends and family that this atrocity had occurred, AND chose to assume the gunman had left the building. I understand not wanting to cause panic by closing classes. But the students deserved to know RIGHT AWAY that this terrible thing had happened to their classmates. I can't believe they thought keeping it in the dark was the right way to deal with it. When has it EVER been?
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I agree with the potential for this to escalate to danger room material, so I moved it.

I don't blame the college for thinking 'domestic disturbance' and not freaking out everyone about it. Hindsite is a wonderful thing, but I can totally see why they acted the way they did.

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I dont know for sure if its true, but apparently they have released the gunman's name and picture.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266523,00.html
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Yeah, I find it odd that people are saying the issue with this whole thing is there were too few guns on campus, when I think the logical issue is there were 2 too MANY. I don't see how arming a bunch of college students would have made this any less a tragic event, and in fact would have probably only made it WORSE. Arming the security? That may be something to look in to. But giving a bunch of kids guns is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

I've only been out of college for 2 years, and I remember it well. I can't imagine a saturday out drinking and partying being more secure knowing that the drunk idiot in front of me yelling at some dumb bitch who he wants to screw but can't get it up has a gun. Are these NRA people for real??

And I also heard the president did talk about the 2nd amendment in his speech about this, but I haven't really looked for anything on the web to back that up. I did hear it on a news program though.....
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Absolutely, Nacht. Besides, if the students HAD had guns and were using them responsibly *cough*, who is to say they would even think - or be able - to use them in the crisis? Should they carry them around with them in their pockets? Would they even have the courage to shoot? I would think a killer in your school would be a mind-freezing, pee-in-your-pants kind of thing.

Bottom line, the admins and police were really stupid to write off the first shooting as a freak accident and not even beef up security a little just as a precaution. I know it's Virginia. I know it's a tranquil, pretty little state. I like Virginia a lot. But this could have been so easily prevented.
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Originally posted by Feuerstein
Bottom line, the admins and police were really stupid to write off the first shooting as a freak accident and not even beef up security a little just as a precaution. I know it's Virginia. I know it's a tranquil, pretty little state. I like Virginia a lot. But this could have been so easily prevented.
Freak accident? No. Domestic disturbance? Yes.

If the cops put out a general warning every time there was a domestic disturbance, no one would ever get anything done. Even in cases where people die, the next day's paper is soon enough for everyone else with no involvement to hear about it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1pj9i3hgRg

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Originally posted by The Drastic Spastic
If the cops put out a general warning every time there was a domestic disturbance, no one would ever get anything done. Even in cases where people die, the next day's paper is soon enough for everyone else with no involvement to hear about it.
Point, but I still think that since the first pair of murders occurred in such close proximity to the rest of the school, it shouldn't have been put off telling everyone what had happened and beefing up security. But what do I know? They probably did everything they could - two hours isn't a whole lot of time, and there must have been so much to sort out between the time of the murder and the time they sent the email. It just seems so mind-boggling - thirty plus people? During college tours they assure us the state troopers and/or police, what-have-you, are sure to be at the scene of an emergency within 90 seconds max... but there are just so many factors.

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Well yes, but its a big campus as well, with thousands of people. They may have warned the building or the floor that it happened on, but warn the whole campus? It would be kind of like shutting down stores for a 6 block radius if one store got held up.

Its one of those things that no one saw coming, and just is very very horrible.

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You would think that this event would wake up some people on the school boards of schools across the world, but apparently thats not the case.

One week after this incident we had three different shooting theats at our school. They didn't cancel school they just told us to "be more aware". Luckilly, they arrested all of the students involved and nothing happened, but still it could have turned out really bad.
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That's unfortunate. Other news:

BREAKING: Westboro Baptists Cancel Virginia Tech Protests, courtesy of Queerty - The gay blog.

I'm really impressed with Mike Gallagher, as I was last time, and also like last time, I have nothing but contempt for the Westboro Baptist Church. The moment I heard about the shootings, I said they were going to protest at the funerals, and sure enough, they announced they would a couple days later. No further comment; it could only be inappropriate.
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Westboro is messed up... those people never even let up in a state of national emergency...
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We had a shooter warning at my university after this happened. Someone reported a man carrying some sort of big gun across campus. They sent out a mass email telling everyone to be careful and stay indoors if possible.

Then they sent out another email a couple hours later: "it seems that it was probably a guy carrying a bicycle seat".

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LOL.
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