Kurt's Shower Fun ~*WARNING!!! ADULT CONTENT!! VIEWER DISCRE

Majestic · Post by **Majestic** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:37 pm

Alright folks...I figured the best way any of you to get to know me was to post one of my stories. This is the first Nightcrawler/X-men erotica story I've written, however, despite it being more than a year old, I've every intention of turning it into a series.

Disclaimer: The following contains scenes of nudity, M solo sexual content, and fantasy M/M content. If this doesn't interest you, please do not click on the link.

Here it is:
Kurt's Shower Fun

Please post all comments, suggestions, and criticisms as they are the only way I'll learn to write better. Just don't post them to hate me though...if you got a problem with me or what I wrote, pm me about it or e-mail me about it at Majestic8705@hotmail.com because if its going to waste anyone's time, let it just be mine and yours.

EDIT: Apparently, this forum doesn't like to link things for me...Le Sigh...So cut and past the URL in your browser if you still wanna read it. http://www.furnation.com/gay_beast/Kirk ... %20fun.htm

NachtcGleiskette · Post by **NachtcGleiskette** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:45 pm

It seems like the hyperlinking isn't working....I'll look into it....

EDIT: i think there's something wrong with the address that is causing it not to work, i've tried hyperlinking a few different ones and they worked. For whoever reading, copy and paste the entire address at the bottom to read, clicking will redirect you elsewhere...

Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:44 pm

The forum has been fixed so the link updates correctly.

NachtcGleiskette · Post by **NachtcGleiskette** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:14 pm

Thanks!!

StarChild · Post by **StarChild** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:53 pm

Excuse me, I'm at a PUBLIC LIBRARY, and I don't have my own PC at home yet...and that kind of...UH???...sexuality?? I don't want to go there! Kurt IS NOT that way...THANK YOU!!! :blush

Preference for conservative values!!

john117 · Post by **john117** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:04 am

he is right you shouldnt descrase kurt in such a way

Angelique · Post by **Angelique** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:35 am

Well, I tend not to like that sort of stuff myself, but don't say you weren't warned.

Post by **fourpawsonthefloor** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:47 am

Well all I have to say is if you don't like it, don't read it. Though I am in a happy "straight" relationship, I acknowledge that there are many variations of sexuality (and it isn't just as simple as being gay or being straight) and the purpose of fan fiction is to explore situations that the "powers that be" would never place them in. In some cases that may be our star lusting after a bucked toothed, fat, flat-footed 16 yr old girl, and in some cases, it may be a falling in love with a boy. That's life. No one is forcing you to read it. The warnings were clearly posted. Someone couldn't accidently open that link and be shocked at what's there.

That said, I haven't taken the time to read it yet, so I can't comment directly on its content.

Being gay isn't a disease, and it isn't a desecration. Its just a difference.

Paws

Post by **Slarti** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:27 am

Starchild and John, calm yourselves.

The big disclaimer in the subject header clearly says adult content, and Majestic's post also clearly warns of the content. It also clearly says that if you have a problem with the story to not post just to say "this sucks and is wrong."

If you don't like it, don't read it. It's that easy.

Nyte-Runner · Post by **Nyte-Runner** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:19 pm

... I'm shocked. Truly shocked.

How can Nightcrawler being attracted to a guy be so bad you have to call it desecration? How come Paws has to write a Pride-speech about other sexuallities than the hetro-one not being a bad thing?

I don't know what to say.

...

I've got several homosexual friends, both male and female, and myself, I happens to be bisexual. A person's sex isn't the most important thing to me when attracted to someone

Morlock · Post by **Morlock** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:00 am

I rather enjoyed it.......*purrs* Gay, straight, bi...don't really care, honestly..love is love is love....and I love smut.....

Interesting pairing....got any more fics? PM me...I might want to commission one.....

StarChild · Post by **StarChild** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:40 pm

Didn't read the whole thing, gang! Just got up to a couple lines, closed window, and vamoosed...Desecration...John, you got the tone just right...I can't go that far in my imagination with Kurt. Sorry, gang!!:oops:

NachtcGleiskette · Post by **NachtcGleiskette** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:44 pm

Whether or not you like the story is one thing. It's no big deal if you dislike it, hey, Slash isn't for everyone. But what one author doesnt like, another will, and as a community we should all be able to respect each others work, whether it is your taste or not. This could be as simple as not reading it when you see it's not your bag, and especially not leaving comments as harsh as calling this a desecration.

This forum is for fan fic and art. Critique of a story as a story is more than welcome, though critique (or judgement, in this case) of the subject matter of the story, is hardly constructive. This is what the story is about, and thats it. Also the point made about "kurt not being that way" is completely null, because Kurt is whatever way a particular writer chooses him to be. Even in the comic books...

That all being said, lets keep discussion of fan art and fics the focus here. If you want to talk about your own personal beliefs on any number of controversial topics, head over to Off Topic Antics. And if you want to show us what "kurt should be" write a fic about it and give us your interpretation

StarChild · Post by **StarChild** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:53 pm

NachtcGleiskette...many apologies...meant not to be offensive...mucho grande sorry...am writing...very good kid...nice person...very sorry...GOLLUM!

Majestic · Post by **Majestic** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:32 am

First, I thank all for coming to my defense and apologize for not posting here sooner but I've had some real life issues to deal with ranging from HW problems to a gang that wants me dead for being gay.

Now..you'll have to excuse me if I take offense to this sorta flaming however, in an effort to keep the peace I'm not going to post anything attacking anyone else for their opinions or beliefs but believe me...I have plenty of material. I am posting this as more food for thought for those of you who attacked me simply because I wrote a gay NC story.

If you can't see NC in that sort of situation...fine...your entitled to your opinions. Just don't flame people who would see things differently. Quite simply, I'm appauled that you all would react so negatively to something gay. I go to a homophobic school of 1500 with a gang that wants me dead for being gay...and in my English class I can read monologues dealing with being gay and nobody reacts as "Ewww that's wrong" as you people did.

Okay...now to get back on topic of my story...Thank you Morlock for your comments...while I don't have anymore fics myself, I do have a few links to others I'd be happy to send your way.

Are there any real criticisms about my work such as use of images, tone, theme, any stuff like that? Or should I just brace myself for more homophobic spamming and take pity on Hummanity?

One more thing before I go...I have a straight NC fan fic almost finished being written as a continuation and has a pairinb b/w NC and Storm...I had actually hoped that some of your comments posted here would have encouraged me to get off my ass and write it...however...You've done the complete opposite and actually further discouraged me from writing it and certainly from posting it here because I feel that a person's work should never be so flamed as mine was here for the simple reason that its gay.

I've already been sitting at this screen for about an hour trying to decide exactly what I should say to you people without offending you as much as you people have offended me. Hopefully, this will get my point across.

Once again, thank you for those who came to defend my work, and thank you Morlock for your comments I'll pm you that link in a few minutes.

Post by **HoodedMan** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:47 am

Originally posted by Majestic
Now..you'll have to excuse me if I take offense to this sorta flaming however, in an effort to keep the peace I'm not going to post anything attacking anyone else for their opinions or beliefs but believe me...I have plenty of material. I am posting this as more food for thought for those of you who attacked me simply because I wrote a gay NC story.

I don't think you have to be excused at all. I find the responses of some of my colleagues on this thread utterly reprehensible and I hope that you do not feel that our board is represented by them. I have always found our board to be a very open and welcoming community, especially the staff, and I hope that you find it so as well.

Originally posted by Majestic
Are there any real criticisms about my work such as use of images, tone, theme, any stuff like that? Or should I just brace myself for more homophobic spamming and take pity on Hummanity?

Now to seriousness. I found it a very well-written fic, even though it was not my style. I hope you won't take this the wrong way, but it seemed more of a porn story than a full-fledged fiction. I definitely don't think there's anything wrong with that; in all honesty, it was hot. But it was also rather forward and I found that it lacked many of the basic elements of an underlying plot that many of my favorite fan fictions have.

Originally posted by Majestic
One more thing before I go...I have a straight NC fan fic almost finished being written as a continuation and has a pairinb b/w NC and Storm...I had actually hoped that some of your comments posted here would have encouraged me to get off my ass and write it...however...You've done the complete opposite and actually further discouraged me from writing it and certainly from posting it here because I feel that a person's work should never be so flamed as mine was here for the simple reason that its gay.

Well, you have to realise that most of the people (if not all) that replied negatively to your story had not read it, and I'm sorry for that. If it wasn't their thing, they should have just done what you asked and moved on with their life. But some people, unfortunately, can't do that and I apologise for that. I hope you continue with your story and I look forward to reading it here.

Originally posted by Majestic
I've already been sitting at this screen for about an hour trying to decide exactly what I should say to you people without offending you as much as you people have offended me. Hopefully, this will get my point across.

Like I said, I'm sorry for that; I've had this thread bookmarked for three days trying to figure out if I should chime in or not. But I think I should now, if only to apologise for the more zealous members of our community.

This is a personal apology; this entire post is not on the behalf of the staff, though I'm sure they'd feel the same way. It's not well-written but impulsive; it's how I feel. I hope you understand, and I hope you will stay here as a member of this community and experience more warmth than you have received.

Thank you,
-Northstar

Post by **fourpawsonthefloor** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:48 am

Hey Matt,

While I think that you are justified in feeling attacked in this thread, also realize that even before hooded man posted you had just as many people on here "batting for you" as you had against. I know that doesn't make it better - but hopefully you can feel here that you are supported (at least for the most part). I wish that we as a society had evolved past gay bashing, but the shame of it is that it is so normalized by society (for example a kid saying "that's gay" to mean "that's dumb"). I mean - people don't even bat an eyelash at it - what a load of whooie!

I have found the people who frequent this website to be pretty accepting and understanding of all individuals, so I hope that a few unkind and not well thought out comments do not dissuade you from doing what you would like. It can't be easy for you, but I hope that you hang in there.

Now - onto the critique of the story.

You managed to use good and varied language. Nothing drives me more insane than a story that reads: Kurt said, Logan said, Kurt said. I also agree with Hooded man's assessment of your story, but would like to add on a bit more of an explination on the "porn story" vrs "erotic fiction" bit. First off, there would be the fundemental difference in that I am a girl. NOW please don't take that to mean that I consider ALL boys to like things one way and ALL girls to like it another, but in general, girls like a little more "lead up" to the action than a "wham bam thank you mam". Not to say that you didn't put in some non sexual stuff in there, but there is a lot to be said for leading up with some sexual tension in a more subtle fashion. I'm probabally not explaining this all that well, but what I am getting at is I like to see sentences like the one where he is admiring Logan (trying to keep this PG, so bear with me) peppered throughout a lot of more other non sexual stuff. I prefer fictions where the complexity of the plot can stand alone but the smut is icing on the cake so to speak. That said, there are many people who like the PWP stuff, but I am just telling you what I think.

The only way to improve on writing is to do more and more of the ruddy stuff, so I do hope that you will keep it up and continue to post. You have made a great beginning - and it will only get better from there. Hang in there - and take care of yourself!

Paws

Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:00 am

Originally posted by Majestic
Are there any real criticisms about my work such as use of images, tone, theme, any stuff like that? Or should I just brace myself for more homophobic spamming and take pity on Hummanity?

One more thing before I go...I have a straight NC fan fic almost finished being written as a continuation and has a pairinb b/w NC and Storm...I had actually hoped that some of your comments posted here would have encouraged me to get off my ass and write it...however...You've done the complete opposite and actually further discouraged me from writing it and certainly from posting it here because I feel that a person's work should never be so flamed as mine was here for the simple reason that its gay.

Don't you think you're getting a little over dramatic?

While I don't deny that you may have felt attacked, flamed, bashed by the reactions of StarChild and John117 to your story, I am finding myself feeling much the same about your reaction to our forum.

After you posted your story link (thanks for linking by the way - Nightscrawlers requests all material above an R rating be linked to rather than posting within the site so it's great that you linked) two offending posts were made, one was by StarChild who clearly didn't read your warning and should have kept her mouth shut , and the second was by John117 who probably didn't read you story and couldn't be bothered to check his spelling. They should have known better; what they did was rude and insensitive.

However, immediately afterwards you experienced nothing but support. Both the Fuzzy Visions & TTT forum moderators, NachtcGleiskette and Slarti stepped in to reprimand StarChild and John117. But before they even got there our own members had posted in support of both your right to write whatever kind of stories you want as well as in support of those with your sexual orientation. Behind the scenes in the Staff forum this issue has been discussed, in particular the fate of StarChild for her show of intolerance. Now, not only do you have members of our community standing up for you, but the entire staff of the site (yes, I am speaking for the staff), four of whom have now posted in this thread.

Now, I'm sorry those comments were made. I'm especially sorry they were made here at this place where we work so hard to create an atmosphere of inclusivity and tolerance for all who wish to be a part of the community. Because of this, I suspect that they were almost as painful for me to read as they were for you. But I am also proud - proud of the members and staff who stood up and did the right thing by demonstrating that the only thing not tolerated at Nightscrawlers is intolerance.

We've done what we can and what we've done far exceeds the wrongs that triggered our actions. If after all of that, you can still only focus on the wrongs (which were less flames than they were people being insensitive dorks) to the point where you are totally discouraged from writing then I don't know what to offer you.

We at Nightscrawlers are truly sorry that your first encounter with us had to be this way. But believe me when I say StarChild's and John117's attitudes are not welcome here. There are right ways to critique and there are wrong ways. They chose the wrong way this time, but that doesn't mean they can't learn better ways to express themselves.

This incident is ugly, but I hope we can all learn from it and move on.

The Nightscrawlers Triumvirate:
Crawler
Bamfette
Saint Kurt

Majestic · Post by **Majestic** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:37 am

~Sigh~ You do have a point...and I did thank the people who came to my aid first thing in that post. And while I do appreciate those who supported me, I found it difficult to see the good when the first comments were along the lines of "This is wrong" and "Being gay desecrates a character." Comments like that seriously piss me off to the point of me wanting to kill someone. I put up with comments like that on a daily basis in school so when I come home and share a piece of my writing only to receive similar comments...Its a little frustrating to say the least.

Again, I do thank those who came to support me and I may even consider posting that story when I get around to actually finishing it. But that won't be for a while as I'm still not sure what plot line I want to go with and also because I am still annoyed that someone would flame a piece of writing like that. Because it feels like your not only attacking me, but my bf and every other gay person I know.

What happened here has by no means stopped my NC fan fic writing, however, it has deterred it a good deal. It is as i had said...I came here hoping for some positive comments about my work to get me to work on the ending. Its hard to write on an idea if you know people are going to hate it...While I do it for school, I do that more to try and make my school less homophobic and Ooooo...brainstorm...anyways...I can't promise I'll post the later parts of this series here until I've grown more...comfortable...however...I will post other fan fics I do.

Once more, thank you for coming to my support those who did and thank you fourpawsonthefloor for your criticisms. This story was actually written to be more of an erotic fan fic than one with a moral behind it and I intend to keep it that way for the later parts of the series.

~Sigh~ I do hope my earlier remarks do not seem to whiney, however, I did feel attacked in a place where I'd least expected to be attacked. if it came off as me atacking these forums, I do apologize for that...this was more of the straw which broke my back. I am sincerly sorry to those of this board who may have felt attacked when I was pretty much exploding.

~Bows~

Bamfette · Post by **Bamfette** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:51 am

I know that this is something you deal with all the time, so for someone not in your shoes, the reaction may seem... strong. Seeing it as the first two posts to your story must be hard. But please understand that's uncommon here, and very much discouraged. The majority of members here not only don't care if you like writing slash, many of them absolutely love slash stories, they just haven't found it yet.

As stated, I and the rest of the staff feel you should be free to write whatever you like, so long as you aren't attacking anyone. (real people, that is.) but slash is about love, (or lust. whatever.

) even if it's a pairing we don't personally think would happen, a large part of fan fic is dreaming up things that would 'never happen' in the comics, so we're fine with it as a rule here. We require linking to mature content for potential legal reasons, but that's all, it's not a moral thing or anything like that. I personally am very adamant that no one should be preached to or told their 'values' or 'morals', their way of life, are somehow wrong, (well. unless it's hurting someone) because they are very nebulous, personal concepts. we have a religion thread where toeing the line a bit is ok, but not here. the only thing that's 'wrong' here is attacking someone. so, Majestic, your story is fine here.

anyway, in short, don't let them discourage you, they had fair warning, and could have chosen not to read it if the description of the content offended them. no one HAS to read any story, after all. It's their problem, not yours. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will come along and love the story. My thing really isn't slash, I'm just too used to the characters written a certain way, but... many other people here love it.

Morlock · Post by **Morlock** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:38 pm

Fanfic is all about personal expression. And for the record, I think your fic was provoking....it made me go "hmmn....." and grin. It made me think. And if you look at it, it makes sense in a certain way. I understand your feelings, Majestic. I'm still closeted to everyone but my closest friends...the last gay kid at our school, things got so bad he tried to kill himself....*hugs* Some people are bastards.

Keep up the good work! BTW, do you do commissions? I'd be willing to trade digital art (okay, my photoshop skillz are far from l33t...) or poetry.....even sillyfics....

Angelique · Post by **Angelique** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:15 am

I must confess, however, that I found myself a victim of what I call the "salsa syndrome." You know, when somebody brings homemade salsa to a party, and warns you that it's hot. Well, you really don't know until you try, and find yourself either singularly unimpressed or dashing to the nearest body of cold water in abject pain with ears buzzing and tears streaming down your suddenly purple face.
Sometimes I see these warnings, and the most I find is a bit of innuendo or a scene that could even be described as affectionate but platonic. Other times, I find that "adult content" may have been putting it too mildly. (At least I must give you credit for trying to be more specific in your warning.)
Anyway, here's how I see it. Personally, I don't enjoy outright porn. At all. Het or slash, so it has nothing to do with sexual orientation. (And I generally don't even like romance stories, either, which may come as a shock to some of you!) Anyway, yeah, I prefer reading "adult content" that's within the context of a relationship (and perhaps a bit more subtle, highlighting more the interplay between the characters over what they're doing or thinking of doing with each other), and relationships within the context of a broader story.
But I do see potential for me to enjoy other fics of yours, and I hope reactions to this one do not discourage you.
And more good has come of this- I'm rethinking the harsh rating I've considered for my next fic.

Majestic · Post by **Majestic** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:22 am

Angelique...while I can see your point about Adult Content not being strong enough...with a title like "Kurt's Shower Fun"...I think its kinda self explanitory as to why the story is adult content. I mean...it really doesn't leave much room to misinterpret it. 'Least that's what I think...I could be wrong though :.

BTW, do you do commissions?

Not as of yet...your the first one whose even suggested I should try to do commissions. I'm not opposed to the idea...and I'm definitely willing to give it a shot...send me a PM and we can see what comes of it

.

Angelique · Post by **Angelique** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:45 am

On the other hand, some people tend to expect more to be left to the imagination.

StarChild · Post by **StarChild** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:15 pm

Dear Friends and fellow fans of Nightcrawler:

May I speak for myself before I get interpreted a certain way??? THANK YOU!! If anyone reads any of my other postings, you will realize I have a very tongue-in-cheek way of typing...uh, expressing myself...on screen or be it on paper.

First of all, read my post...the first one...I was being silly...OK

...I read it because I happen to like being tittilated sometimes, but I wasn't expecting that much...AHEM...graphic content...Northstar is correct in saying that it doesn't have loads of narrative, but is, in fact, porn.

NachtcGleiskette is right...you have every right to write your fic your way, and, yes, I did not amply read and comprehend the regulations of this forum. I did not mean to "flame", as you put it, anyone. I am 45 years old, old school X-Men fan, and raised very much old-fashioned with some Roman Catholic values...such as marriage, etc.

I am who and what I am...what I said was tongue-in-cheek, meant to be humorous...I did want to read it...I just wasn't expecting it...I should have kept my comments to myself.

CAN I BE ACCEPTED FOR MY POINT OF VIEW TOO??

I had homosexual friends, it doesn't mean I would choose their lifestyle, but I am tolerant. Please do not bash me, too! I am being flamed now. WHY??? You are seemingly all ganging up on me now.

Northstar, I appreciate your input in the past on the thread I started. I am still new here on this website. I am not internet or computer proficient. Some of you probably weren't even born when Bill Gates first released MS-DOS...I was in my teens. 1976, right? Mr. Cockrum is 17 years older than me. Dave was born in 1943, me 1960. Be merciful here. I DIDN"T MEAN TO HURT ANYONE! AND I REGRET EVEN PEEKING AT THE STORY NOW!!

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