Originally posted by Saint Kurt
Originally posted by Angelique
I thought the whole idea of Kurt "studying" to be a priest needed to be better researched.
Actually, if you want to pick nits, his Catholicism
needs to be better researched.
If one is to take the comics as totally true to life, then Nightcrawler is easily the most Protestant Catholic on the planet. Everytime he quotes from the bible it's from the King James Version, which for kind of complex liturgical/historical reasons isn't used by the Catholic Church. Whenever they show his bedroom he's always got a giant cross over his bed, but no corpus on it, what Catholic does this? Whenever they show him in a church, he just kind of wanders in and sits down instead of genuflecting... etc. etc. blah blah blah.
But I ignore all of this because on the whole, nothing is ever depicted in comics as it is in reality. I could write a short novel about comics as a visual shorthand and story telling medium or I could just say "read Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics
" which is easier for everybody. The point is, Kurt's supposed to be a devout Christian which I definitely get from what I'm shown. I'm totally speculating here, but I think whoever added this aspect to his character chose Catholicism not because of some attachment to that particular faith but more because of the many recognizable symbols and gestures that could be exploited in the visual medium of comics.
Leaving the priesthood is also never as simple as "read the Breviary" or "you know the way out."
Oh Oh Oh! I know this one!
In a moment of randomness about 2 weeks ago I was asked a question by a random student playing a Catholic Trivial Pursuit type game while I walked through the lobby of the university's Newman Center. The question was "How does one leave the priesthood?"
I guessed correctly that while one can choose not to perform their duties - they cannot be "unordained". Once you're a priest you're one for life.
Except that Kurt wasn't really a priest, I think... Oh, I don't know...
I could, however, tolerate the CoH plot, because I knew there was nothing realy Catholic about them.
Same. Lots of people thought The DaVinci Code was real too.
*phew* long quote.
well we all know who the most catholic character in all of marvel is next to Kurt, and who is probably the closest any of these FICTIONAL characters get to catholicism. Right?
sillies. Poor Matt. Every grieved and burdened by...well everything.
Point is, I think (as a baptist who now calls himself a Buddhistian; meaning i follow buddhist values but abide by christian faith and "mythology" if you will) that regardless of Kurt's religion it was tainting the original character and what chuck austen did was, in my eyes, completely justified. Now how he did it is another thing. I think Azazel was overkill. His dad being the (without ever actually saying it) devil or demon close to Lucifer (or are he and Satan two different entities? I forget the details in Paradise Lost) point is, I thought that was stretching it a little much. Mutant or actual demon, which is he now? I mean you're to assume they were brought to "hell" but it also is just an underworld for off the radar crazed, fundamentalist-like, biblically insane mutants, but to assume they've been THAT OFF Xavier or Cerebro's radar for THAT LONG, so I sorta lean towards the biblical aspect. But all religious business aside, I wanted my swashbuckling elfy back and no more of this movie-esque dribble. Any character can be serious and goofy. Sometimes they have a serious personality but act out to change things up (daredevil, logan, not marvel but Superman) or sometimes they have a goofy personality and get serious when they need to (spiderman, kurt, angel, bobby).
Kurt had become progressively more and more serious to the point where he was acting a lot like Murdoch did post-Elektra and like Superman does everytime he loses another friend (no matter which multi-verse it is). Honestly, Austen I think loved Kurt, if not growing up then right when he started writing, and he saw the spiraling effect religion had on him as a character and he set out to change, and good on him. Who says someone has to be weighed down by their beliefs and though kurt may not have FELT that way in the story nor the authors at the time not wanting him to appear that way, it's very difficult (no offense i am dating a catholic) to write about a catholic who DOESN'T carry the weight of the world on their shoulders, especially (and more to the point) a priest. He did a very decent job researching the event so he could pull it off right and all the more power to him.
Where's Austen now anyways?
also i wrote this at two forty five and my grammar is TERRIBLE, please excuse.
[Edited on 8/12/07 by Ult_Sm86]