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who/what is this Azazel guy, anyway?

Postby Tracker » Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:25 am

I'm just now getting into the comics...so, my biggest question is, which of Kurt's "new" siblings have made an appearance before The Draco? Kiwi Black is completely new to me.


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Postby Bamfette » Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:34 am

Kiwi Black is a brand new character, Abyss is an old character, though. played many kinda bit parts in the 'main' universe, but was a major bad guy in the AoA crossover. (but he's a good guy in regular timeline)
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Postby Psylocke » Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:56 am

Well, that's some good stuff to know. I never knew who Kurt's father was. All I knew was that he was a "German Aristocrat" that's what the book said.
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Postby Fuzzy_Elf » Tue Jun 01, 2004 2:37 pm

Wow this really was interesting, cleared up a lot for me!! ^_^

Originally posted by Gaz
Originally posted by Siona
WHOA. Is it possible to find pics of this dude?


Here ya go, Siona!!! I took 'em just for you :D

With 'normal human' disguise: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/3 ... CN0572.JPG

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/3 ... CN0577.JPG

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/3 ... CN0581.JPG

Sorry the last two are dark, I had to take the pics with a camera and the flash was too bright.

I have one more question and then I'm done: What was he using for his disquise? Paint? Some kind of hologram? I know it doesn't say, but what would be your best bet?


Hey...is there any way I can see this pics? Cuz they don't work for me...:(
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Postby Confizzle » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:11 am

Keep waiting for "Star Wars" spoof.

"Margai never told you what happened to your father, did she?"

"She said you killed him."

"No,Kurt, I am your father!"(pulls off mask)

"I can see the resmblence.
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Postby Angelique » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:29 am

Actually, Kurt does the "nooooo" when he figures out who Azzy's claiming to be.
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Postby Confizzle » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:49 pm

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Postby StarChild » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:27 pm

Being old school X-Men, and a collector of X-Men comics from Master Cockrum's days, I really did not enjoy the concept of Azazel...and maybe it was because of the chaotic nature of the artwork that accompanied a very chaotic story. The first issue in the six parter...the prologue with Mystique in Germany #429...the art was beautiful!! When the art flows the story goes! I really didn't need or want tie-ins to demonic origins, I guess. I have always accepted Kurt at face value, and the depth behind the character as he displayed his true personality beneath the exterior. Azazel sullies him in a way...or at least (Austen, was it?) the author's writing, and attempt to explain away Kurt's appearance left much to be desired.

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Postby Angelique » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:35 pm

I don't think it was explained sufficiently, but there's nothing literally demonic about the Azzy character. It's only said that he's an exceptionally long-lived mutant. Which we can assume means that he isn't a demon, but perhaps only thinks he is, or whatever. I must admit, I was saying along with Kurt "Ich fasse es nicht," for a while.
It might also have been Austen's attempt to write off all "real" mystical activity in the Marvel universe as mutant mischief.
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Postby StarChild » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:51 pm

Originally posted by Angelique
I don't think it was explained sufficiently, but there's nothing literally demonic about the Azzy character. It's only said that he's an exceptionally long-lived mutant. Which we can assume means that he isn't a demon, but perhaps only thinks he is, or whatever. I must admit, I was saying along with Kurt "Ich fasse es nicht," for a while.
It might also have been Austen's attempt to write off all "real" mystical activity in the Marvel universe as mutant mischief.


I concur! I would, I guess like to imagine that Wolverine, with those keen animal senses of his, has Kurt's origins down pat on an instinctual level...that Kurt is an elf! My brother, who lives in Florida, would site a race of elf in Dungeons and Dragons lore that was dark skinned as being something akin to Nightcrawler. Why can't there be mystical activity in the Marvel universe? What is Doctor Strange there for? And if anyone is familiar with Professor Xavier's origins, I do believe he was in Nepal (Tibet??) and training there? I will check on my facts, but I do know that a lot of Marvel's older characters have a basis in the interest in Eastern mysticism that influenced comicdom in the 40's and 50's. The Shadow for instance, Doctor Strange, et cetera.

Maybe someone should explore that avenue, and chalk up Azazel to being a demented demoniac who was playing with Kurt's mind.

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Postby Nandireya » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:18 pm

Originally posted by StarChild
I concur! I would, I guess like to imagine that Wolverine, with those keen animal senses of his, has Kurt's origins down pat on an instinctual level...that Kurt is an elf! My brother, who lives in Florida, would site a race of elf in Dungeons and Dragons lore that was dark skinned as being something akin to Nightcrawler. Why can't there be mystical activity in the Marvel universe?


It has kinda been played with…

In Excalibur annual #1 (1993) the team met up with Khaos, an alternate reality version of Kurt who was a dark elf…and in the Wizard published X-Men 1/2 , Kurt was a member of a clan of warrior elves…

It might be interesting...but it's been well established that Kurt is in fact a mutant...
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