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If You Could Change Kurt...

Postby Siona » Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:43 pm

This was inspired by Drastic's and other's opinions of X2 and of Nightcrawler in X2.

If you could edit the way Kurt was represented in X2, do tell!

Personally, I would have made his hair look a lot less curly and...well...fake. I would have liked to to look a little more limp and not like Kurt had spent hours in front of the mirror with his hair gel for company.

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Postby TelegramSam » Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:40 am

I'd switch the tatoos for actual fur, LIKE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE TO BEGIN WITH. meh.
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Postby The Drastic Spastic » Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:12 am

Yay! I was inspiring! ;)

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Postby Lauren » Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:47 am

I'd make his teeth less...sharp...and I'd get rid of those rings under his tail spade. That's about it really.
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Postby Siona » Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:41 pm

Originally posted by The Drastic Spastic
Yay! I was inspiring! ;)

You already know what I would change: everything.


Inspire Spastic! :p

Erm...think you could be a little more specific?
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Postby kurtlover » Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:28 pm

I find the word "everything" very specific :p
i would change the teeth and the hair, you're right, the hair looks fake, with lots of gel.
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Postby Wolvertique » Thu Jan 15, 2004 4:51 pm

I wonder how Heath Ledger or Elijah Wood would look as Nightcrawler...either would make the character look different and younger. That would make his diffidence a little more natural, too.
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Postby bluefooted » Thu Jan 15, 2004 4:57 pm

I seem to be going through my 'Adrien Brody phase' so I think he would have made a good Nighty. He's got the body type of the kind of Kurt I tend to like - super skinny, large nose (okay, it's huge), sad eyes, that sort of thing. Just get rid of the sharp teeth (sharp canines are fine, though), slap the blue paint on, and voila :D
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Postby taekwondodo » Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:27 pm

Definitely lose the nasty shark teeth, the tattoos, the crunchy, greasy hair, the cringing demeanor (I don't care how shell-shocked he is, that nasty cringe was just awful) and stop holding the hands like paws (he looked like he was impersonating a bear walking on its hind legs a lot of the time). Oh heck, I'm with Draz - change everything. There was absolutely nothing about Kurt that I liked in X2 other than the fact that the elf was *in* the movie at all. Actually, that's not true, I did love the awesome special effects at the beginning. Elijah Wood might not be bad in some ways, but he really doesn't look any more like an athlete or an acrobat than Alan Cumming (at least if the shirtless stuff in RotK is anything to go by - he was pretty darn uninspiring there).
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Postby Siona » Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:11 pm

I'm gonna add another little tid-bit; not really a problem with Kurt himself, but with the movie: Doesn't he have a tail?!?! Even when you see him from behind, in more than half the movie, you never saw the tail ((and I personally think that's his best feature))! My little brother asked me if it fell off or something. :rolleyes

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Postby The Drastic Spastic » Thu Jan 15, 2004 8:03 pm

Originally posted by taekwondodo
Definitely lose the nasty shark teeth, the tattoos, the crunchy, greasy hair, the cringing demeanor (I don't care how shell-shocked he is, that nasty cringe was just awful) and stop holding the hands like paws (he looked like he was impersonating a bear walking on its hind legs a lot of the time). Oh heck, I'm with Draz - change everything.


Yes, all that and to add to the 'everything' also change the accent so it's actually German, the voice should be less deep, facial features should be much more appealing; straight nose, strong chin, not-bulgy eyes, etc.. Tail should be less fake, all those barbs and bumps are icky, make the gross yellow fingernails black, fix the strangely crooked ears. Maybe have him make a face like he has a clue once in awhile.

And stop praying outloud all the time, Mr. Force My Beliefs On Everyone Else On The Plane. Seriously, even without the religious differences, if I were stuck on a plane with someone who kept up a constant stream of intrusive jabbering, there would be An Incident. He's supposed to be shy, why's he yelling to himself??

Hmm. Got side-tracked there. I guess I'd cut the religion angle out completely if I could change anything. :D
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Postby Sorte Springer » Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:15 am

I would give him better hair, the gel curls looks odd I think. He also ought to have his comic book canine teeth in the movie, I really don´t know why he was given those shark teeth.
Alan doing some workout for X3 wouldn´t hurt either. That movie Magneto not is not shaped like a body builder is perfectly OK, because he fights using his magnetic powers, not actual physical strengeth.
Nightcrawlers fighting style however damands that he is physically fit, he teleports yes, but he also have to kick and throw punches a lot.

I am Ok with the tatoos though.
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Postby StarLightCrawler » Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:18 am

Well looks like a people would like him to look like th comic book one. That would be good if possible that is.
As for me well i have thought on this for a while(think there was a thread asking some thing like this some where i was).
The teeeth are ok with me. Though kinda cool if he had just fangs(kinds vampire looking then and i like vampires). Though over all i would just leave him alone. Keep as is. I mean it could have been a lot worse.
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Postby Nightcrawler ZERO » Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:02 pm

I would have him become more comfortable with the X-men, allowing his adventurous and humorous sides to show through.
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Postby Warbird » Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:44 pm

I like Alan Cumming, but not as nightcrawler. I think first of all, they need an acter who has some more German facial traits. Alan looks very UK. Like every one, I thought the hair was really bad. When I think of him, I think wild curls, not highly styled gel rings. I hate the tattoos also. Even if he doesn't have fur, the tattoos are horrible. I can't ever think of Kurt as self-mutilating, even if it is due to deep religiouse devotion. Which is another thing. Yeah, he's faithful, but not a frekin monk. Even in the comics, when he was becoming a preist, he wasn't that bad.

The one thing that really bothers me though is the way that they had him move. The concepted of his body being an extention of his tail was just stupid. I think someone needs to tell that movement coach that animals don't move based on thier tails, they move their tails based on the rest of their body. He just looked so stupid and dance-like. I don't think that I have ever in my life imagined Kurt gliding like a ballet dancer rather than having well defined movenments. That doesn't quite cut it for me.
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Postby Blue_Demon94 » Sun Sep 05, 2004 10:50 am

I'd change the costume towards the end of the movie, Rogue and Bobby got new costumes, why not Kurt. Also give him fur instead of scars. Make his eyes completely yellow, o pupil. Finally make his teeth like in the comics, just 4 sharp teeth.
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Postby AlanCummingLover » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:28 am

Hi!
I'm new here!
And I'm sorry if I wrote bad something I not speak english.

I think Alan Cumming is amazing! (you can see that because of my username:)) and he has done a great job, but I think would put somebody younger! Like Ice man or Rogue! because they changed very much the story.
I think they would do a Nightcrawler Origins and put his younger side.
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Postby Karl » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:38 pm

Guess I'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't change Kurt as portrayed in the movie at all. Well, all right, maybe the fingernails could be toned down a bit, and the trousers could have been less dworky. I was fascinated by the scars, and the tail looked very realistic to me.
I never read any X-Men comics before seeing the movie, so perhaps it's just that I don't have all that background to draw on and therefore didn't have any picture in my mind as to how he "should" look. All I know is that he was the one character in the movie that really grabbed me, and it wasn't because he went around performing deeds of delicious derring-do, as the comic Nightcrawler does. (Yes, I have since read some of the comics, so I now have a better idea about the original character.) While I'm enjoying some of the more serious comic stories, I'm too old to really be interested in a young, devil-may-care, athletic-looking fighter of bad guys. The movie version of Kurt seemed to have more depth and underlying angst to deal with, and that's what appealed to me about him moreso than the others. I liked the German accent, being from a German-American background myself, and have no problem with a Catholic character praying at times. As a longtime-lapsed Catholic, it was actually nice to hear the Hail Mary again, especially since I could recognize it even in German.
I had neither seen nor heard of Alan Cumming before, but I think he did an excellent job with a difficult role.
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Postby Angelique » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:59 pm

Karl wrote:G All I know is that he was the one character in the movie that really grabbed me, and it wasn't because he went around performing deeds of delicious derring-do, as the comic Nightcrawler does. (Yes, I have since read some of the comics, so I now have a better idea about the original character.) While I'm enjoying some of the more serious comic stories, I'm too old to really be interested in a young, devil-may-care, athletic-looking fighter of bad guys.


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Postby neling4 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:04 pm

Angelique wrote:
Karl wrote:G All I know is that he was the one character in the movie that really grabbed me, and it wasn't because he went around performing deeds of delicious derring-do, as the comic Nightcrawler does. (Yes, I have since read some of the comics, so I now have a better idea about the original character.) While I'm enjoying some of the more serious comic stories, I'm too old to really be interested in a young, devil-may-care, athletic-looking fighter of bad guys.


Too old??? Do you have any idea how old some of us are????


Some of us are really old. ;) I've been a fan since 1975!:surprise
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Postby Elfdame » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:45 pm

I'm 50, and I used to be a longtime-lapsed Catholic. And I drool over Nightcrawler (not movie version; I am a blue-fur purist). But I did like the scene where he almost murdered the Prez, and I also enjoyed him praying the rosary and gettin' all philosophical with Storm.
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Postby neling4 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:19 pm

Elfdame wrote:I'm 50, and I used to be a longtime-lapsed Catholic. And I drool over Nightcrawler (not movie version; I am a blue-fur purist). But I did like the scene where he almost murdered the Prez, and I also enjoyed him praying the rosary and gettin' all philosophical with Storm.


I'm 54. I'm older than you. Neener, neener, neener! :D

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I'm not a lapsed Catholic. I'm a lapsed Protestant, but I like that Kurt is religious, thoughtful and riddled with a conscience. I like the fur too. No tattoos for me.
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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:13 pm

I'd make Kurt Red.

'Cause y'know, Red Hulk was such a success.
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Postby Elfdame » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:26 am

Oh, go fondle your magazines, little boy. :D
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Postby Karl » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:26 pm

I have no idea how old any of you are. I'm 64.
I didn't mean an older person couldn't be interested in the comic version of Kurt, but merely that I tend to identify with a character, and young, athletic, bouyant characters are way too young for me to seriously identify with, unfortunately. I will admit, however, that some of the stories I've found in the comic books portray Kurt as something deeper than just an action/adventure hero and I have been quite impressed by the depth and maturity of feeling in those stories. I'm afraid I still prefer to picture him as he was in the movie though.
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