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Postby Slarti » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:14 pm

Yep! I've been thoroughly impressed by this show throughout the season. There are a couple episodes where I kind of went “meh
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Postby Jeremus » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:58 pm

I know what everyone is going to say.....
but I just really didn't need that to happen to that little girl.
Now I'm really depressed.
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Postby Slarti » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:22 pm

Yeah, I was on the fence about whether she would die or not, considering comic history. The longer the search dragged out, I figured she was dead, just as in real life. Now, how she died and whether they would ever find her, either as a corpse or as a walker, was what I was wondering. I thought it was also entirely possible that they'd never get closure, since you don't always get closure in real life either.
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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:47 pm

I like that Rick is sort of owning up to his mistake by taking her out though....


I wonder when they'll touch on the few who are immune.
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Postby Jeremus » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:05 pm

To Slarti:
Yeah....I was wondering the same things too, but I guess I'm so much up to my eyeballs in "reality" right now, I just wanted some unrealistic hope and for them to find her alive.

I mean I know they're going to pick them all off one by one, (or at least I assume they are). But I wanted Daryl to be right and it was Shane that was right.... and I believe Shane is wrong, but his point of view was vindicated and I hate that.


It's Daryl's point of view that's full of hope and and I just really wanted him to bring her home alive. Very unrealistic but I would have enjoyed the story more.



To Ult:
Yeah.....it shouldn't have been anyone else to do it.










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Postby Slarti » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:10 pm

Heck, there may not be any immunity in the TV-verse. Or, conversely, immunity wouldn't matter because you only get it if you're bitten. In the comics, everybody (more or less) is infected so no matter how hard you fight to survive, in the end you'll still be a walker. We don't know if that's the case in the TV show. I figured all along that's what Jenner whispered to Rick at the end of the first season. But if that's the case, how do you explain all the non-zombified corpses in the cars on the highway?

I really don't think Rick made a mistake in leaving Sophia to draw the walkers away. What else was he going to do, really? She's the one who spazzed out and took off to get lost and munched.
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Postby Jeremus » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:20 pm

I don't think he made a mistake either. It was just the way things went and I believe he was the only one who ran after her and he did save her life. She just got lost. Nobody's fault. Hindsight's 20/20.

But I'm glad he was the one to take care of it in the end because he was the responsible one....not thru fault but because he's still the leader and he loved her (enough to risk his life for her by going after 2 walkers unarmed) and he still held out hope for her and all of them.

I noticed that Shane who was so gung ho about killing those walkers didn't step up.....not that I would have wanted him to.

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Can anyone tell me does Rick keep his good side in the books or does he slowly lose himself to the "dark side"?






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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:33 pm

But I wanted Daryl to be right and it was Shane that was right.... and I believe Shane is wrong, but his point of view was vindicated and I hate that.


We don't know the full story yet. I still want to know WHY she was in the barn, specifically.


As for Rick being to blame...

He's gonna be blaming himself for a lot of things.

Are dead people who weren't bitten going to be coming to live in TV-VERSE, like in the comics (as shown in Vol. III)?

If that's the case... how interesting would it be if we had a "Dawn Of The Dead (remake)" incident with Rick's wife & the new baby?

So long as they don't name her "Grace". :shifty
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Postby Slarti » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:41 pm

Oh, Rick will totally blame himself. That's what he does.

Jeremus - So far in the comics I wouldn't say he's gone to the dark side as much as he's eroded. His sanity, his morals, his responsibilities -- everything that's happened to him (which is some pretty terrible stuff) has just worn him down. He has changed, but he still tries to do the right thing and be the good man. Whenever he does do something questionable, the weight of the guilt erodes him just a bit more. So, no, he hasn't turned into Shane, but he is different.

I'm guessing why she was in the barn was the same reason all the rest of them were. Herschel said Otis would round them up when he found them. I bet she got munched the very day she hared off and Otis found her zombified in the swamp and put her in the barn. Then, Otis gets hobbled and turned into zombie chow by Shane before there can even be a discussion of "Herschel, they say they lost a little girl... what about that girl I got the other day?"

And like I said, Bman, if that is the case and they go with the comic "everyone is infected" idea, why were the corpses in the cars just corpses. Not even one of them turned out to be a dormant walker.

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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:45 pm

And like I said, Bman, if that is the case and they go with the comic "everyone is infected" idea, why were the corpses in the cars just corpses. Not even one of them turned out to be a dormant walker.


Starvation? :? :LOL I have no idea, I'm just thinking out loud, I suppose.
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Postby Slarti » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:51 pm

LOL, starvation. Yeah, I don't know either. I guess there are ways to explain it away

Also, checkit from Wiki - I didn't know this: "Rick Grimes, the series main protagonist, was ranked as IGN's 26th Greatest Comic Book Hero of All Time in 2011." Michonne was also listed, and The Governor was listed as one of the greatest villains... which he totally is. If they don't kill Shane, he should totally break away from the group and devolve into the TV version of The Governor.
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Postby Jeremus » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:55 pm

Yeah....Rick's definitely going to be blaming himself for a long time.

(I'm too slow posting lol) Didn't Hershel tell Rick that there was someone else who took the walkers to the barn?
If it was Otis, then that means Sophia had to have been bitten, changed, and walked in the vicinity of the farm in the first 24 hours. If that's the case, then who slept in the old farmhouse, and how did her doll get way up the creek?

But the fact that she was only bitten on the neck and wasn't torn to bits suggests that she was bitten and got away, so it's possible that in 24 hours she could have slowly changed and walked that far.

But if Otis alone had been responsible for putting the walkers in the barn, then Hershel may not have known that she was in there. Unless he did know but it was more important to keep his secret than to let them get closure.



And I'm glad Rick doesn't turn into Shane in the books. :-)




Here's another question: Daryl used that one arrow on all those walkers he killed. Then when he fell down that embankment he was impaled with the same arrow. Is he infected?










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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:04 pm

Here's my question: Daryl used that one arrow on all those walkers he killed. Then when he fell down that embankment he was impaled with the same arrow. Is he infected?


And T-Bone was cut open in a serious artery and then a dying, bleeding, zombie was dropped atop of him and his open wound.

I think they better explain this stuff away or start bringing up the immunity, but even then... Can we just say he wiped the arrow on his leg? Did anyone see if he did that? I know he's done it before....
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Postby Slarti » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:04 pm

Yeah, it was hard to catch with all the noise and mumbling (I swear to God, I get that they're trying to be realistic and real people don't always enunciate, but between the southern accents and the mumbling I have to close caption the damn thing just to see what they're saying), but Herschel told Rick that Otis used to do it when they were lassoing the waders in the swamp.

So yeah, guessing she took off, got bit and escaped, wandered around and *maybe* found the farmhouse (or that could be a red herring/another character we'll see later), died and came back, and then Otis found her. Apparently all before he went a'hunting and shot Carl.

On Daryl and the arrow -- yeah, I've wondered that myself. Every time he would whip an arrow out of a walker and then shoot a squirrel I'd go "ew" and wonder about that.
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Postby Jeremus » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:11 pm

Yep....that's why I carry hand sanitizer with me. You never know where those zombie germs could be hiding.



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Postby Slarti » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:20 pm

LOL! Amen. Purell can handle a multitude of cooties.

But yeah, the arrow and the T-Dog/zombie open-faced sammich both had me worried. Plus, Andrea getting splashed in the face when she screwdrivered the walker in the Winnebago.

Those are annoying inconsistencies in how the zombie virus/bacteria/voodoo is passed. Apparently, you really, really just have to be totally bitten to get it.
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Postby Angelique » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:11 am

All I can say is that episode wasn't a good one for someone who's been following both the show and the comics simultaneously. At this point, the show went from reasonably good as an adaptation of the comic to being pretty much a completely different story. It's not bad in and of itself. I just found it way too jarring to see a character who is...




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...still alive in the books and having a reasonably big impact for a supporting character killed off in the show.
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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:52 am

I'm not sure I follow Ange?

Isn't the point that the TV series cannot possibly exist as a successful show if it goes page for page with the Comic?

I mean, the comic is great (I'm on Volume IV myself), but I find it hard to believe that it would do well. 1) The comic is very very gritty and harsh, and the worst the TV series has taken it so far is well... Last Night's episode.


2) If it was page-for-page, we would predict everything happening and get bored quickly. It's an ongoing series, not a movie, they need to keep interest to keep people watching so they can tell the whole story.

Any adaptation acknowledges that it needs to respect/abide by the source material while still striving to be different/achieve separate goals by catching a wider audience/demographic. That's just the way of the monster that is adaptations. 'Jurassic Park' the movie is a wonderful, amazing piece of film, a perfect example of great imagination and effort with computer graphics, puppetry, action, and special effects. But it strays so far from the book it's almost a joke... yet they're both two separate, but each fun, titles.

The books are always better because there's always that one scene you see in your head (or in comics, the scene plays out and the voices are in your head) and no one but you could possibly capture how you saw it in your head. So when that scene comes up in the film/tv adaptation it's o course not as good.

But that doesn't make 'Walking Dead' a failed series for someone who's also reading them. At least I wouldn't think so. I suppose what I'm saying is, you seem to be upset that the show isn't following the comic which you like so much... but my question to you is;

Why should it? The comic is already written. This is meant to be different. It can't possibly be the same. It wouldn't stand on two legs on television if it did follow the comic (as closely as I'm assuming you expect it to).

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Postby Angelique » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:05 pm

I'm not saying it's a failed series. I'm saying at this point, if the purpose of the series was to be an adaptation, it let me down there, rather like if in the Harry Potter movies they decided to kill off Ginny Weasely and keep Sirius Black alive. It might not have been horrible, but it wouldn't have qualified as an adaptation because the story would be completely different from there on out. The point of an adaptation is to adapt a story from one medium to another, not to make a completely different story. LOTR and Harry Potter are very good not just as movies, but as adaptations. Jurrassic Park, as you've indicate, are fun movies, but I would not consider as good as adaptations. The X-Men movies I would not even consider adaptations at all. It's not that they're bad. They're just completely different stories that happen to use some familiar characters.

One of the things I liked about the show was looking forward to seeing how - not if - they'd portray events in the comics. Up until now, I had actually been operating under the assumption that the TV-verse and the comic-verse was pretty much the same - or at least not as different as, say, the X-movies are from the books. Again, it wasn't bad in and of itself. I just found it jarring. If I hadn't just read the latest issue and seen just how far Sophia's developed as a character (and a pretty cool one), that would not have been the case.

Yes, the comics are gritty. But then, so's a lot of stuff that makes it onto network TV, let alone cable. And TWD TV series has already given us light, fluffy scenes like a volunteer EMT being hobbled and eaten alive. I think the show's intended audience could handle a character who's still alive in the books sticking around in the TV series.
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Postby Slarti » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:24 pm

On a lighter note.... Shane's twin brother? Beware of extremely foul language. Day of the Dead is kinda known for it.

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Postby Jeremus » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:16 pm

Okay....stupid bit of information:

I saw a replay of episode 1 where Sophia gets lost, and I had mentioned in one of my posts that Rick had gone after her unarmed, but I was wrong. He did have his gun....and (sadly), when he caught up to Sophia, she saw the gun in the holster and reached for it and wanted him to use it. But of course he didn't want to make noise so that's when he took her to the creek.

Point is, the gun that he could have used to kill the walkers, instead he used to kill Sophia.

:(

(And yeah, the sound would have brought more walkers, but I'm just saying.)




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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:58 am

Great eye, Jeremus!


I gotta say, that's a great bit of symbolic writing. Good for them!
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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:08 pm

So to keep any spoilers from the comic series from leaking into a thread based on discussion for the show, I'm gonna go ahead and re-open this thread. Risking redundancy, yes, but I feel more comfortable knowing those who have read ahead have a thread to discuss where the are differences between the series and the show have a thread they can fall back on instead of possibly spoiling something very important. Obviously we can't dismiss discussion of the comic, but anything that has to do with characters meeting their end in the series, or other such relevant details, we should probably put the [spoilers]cap on when we feel we might be risking something. I use colored font, doesn't matter what you do really.


ANYWAYS;

Thankfully, Walking Dead comes back, THIS Sunday! I'm super psyched! So do we think Sophie found her way to the farm to be safe (only to be surprised at how unsafe it actually was)? Do we think Farmer Hershel knew she was in there the whole time, as Shane suggests? I hope there's a flashback to show the audience what happened, but I wouldn't be surprised if they never address it again. Makes the whole incident that much more sad and that much scarier.

Where to next? In the comics they would've been at the CDC by now, but the next episode is called "NEBRASKA"? Any bets as to the next direction
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Postby Slarti » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:04 pm

Good episode! Don't want to spoil, so I'll just cheer this:
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Postby Ult_Sm86 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:35 pm

OMGOMGOMGOMG WASN'T THAT JUS EPIC?!?!

I cannot believe that happened!

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Rick is going to that dark place he goes to in the comics way, way, way earlier than he does within the comics! I'm very happy to see that!
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