Ult_Sm86 wrote:Or they want you to be skeptical and curious to see where he'll appear.
Ult_Sm86 wrote: but I really think where this is going is Logan/Darkholme development. I see Logan stopping him from killing Blob to set an example for Evan *and* his own son, an maybe even Darkholme stops himself after Logan holds back from killing them.
Mystique stops him because seeing her son kill is too much for her, being her actual son would have never done that.
Is it in Darkholme's nature to be just like Kurt Wagner, deep down, and act in a self-sacrificing manner? If it is, then it is in Evan's nature to become the Apocalypse and kill millions, therefore he should be killed as a child. Have Darkholme's circumstances nurtured him into a traitorous killing machine, hell-bent only on revenge? Then Evan's circumstances might shape him into something completely different -- even a hero.
Dazy wrote:That's a really scary thought, actually. Naturally I wanted to say Kurt would lean towards Wagner's nature, simply because I love Wagner and I'd hate to have Darkholme seen as something corrupt and terrible fully (I've been dealing with some really flaky fans and I hate their current attitude towards him after this issue.)
But the thought of Evan becoming Apocalypse seems impossible to me, and I'd rather that not happen, given that I feel it'd defeat the purpose of Evan being a character.
I usually credit Wagner's forgiving and generally light nature to his belief in God, but given that he didn't really have that up until like, the 90's or 2000's basically (as far as I know) I'm curious to see how that works. Though it's been written into his backstory, so I dunno...
I just would hate for Evan to become Apocalypse. It's too easy to try to turn the clone into the original. See: Laura, Cuckoos.
It's too easy to try to turn the clone into the original. See: Laura, Cuckoos.
Ult_Sm86 wrote:Well, good writing would insist that Darkholme kill Blob and not hold back his weapon, as you would suggest then. Being the proper objective is to salvage Evan and make a decent character out of him in the future. Your point is very decent, you can't change one and not the other. It says something about the team's efforts to save Evan, it makes it all worth it.
Ult_Sm86 wrote:However, your disdain for Remender is sort of hard to place, Sundown. I'm not really sure I see where your criticisms are coming from, I mean he's given as much focus to Betsy and Fantomex (Unfortunately) in this run as he has given to Logan.
Ult_Sm86 wrote:I'm sorry, but your point about Evan being changed is as valid as any, but if you really think they won't try to keep Darkholme longer you're kidding yourself. Of course they will. From what I see on Twitter/Formspring/recorded panels, there's zero interest in the writers and upper management to killing him off and/or bringing back Wagner.
Ult_Sm86 wrote:Having a fractured image of Wagner running around Marvel, possibly working to "repair" this image and maybe making a decent character out of him? Way more of an investment for the writers.
Ult_Sm86 wrote: One of my big hopes for Darkholme's future is both he and Laura connect, as ex-X-Force members and ex-killers.
@Remender I don't mean to pry for spoilers, but we sort of have no 'Crawler left. Is Darkholme sticking around? Any plans? #Darkholme4Life
@Remender I can't stand the idea of #KidCrawler being the only Kurt left. Darkholme has so much potential. I'm psyched to see where he goes.
Ult_Sm86 wrote:I've tweeted at him about 3x today,@Remender I don't mean to pry for spoilers, but we sort of have no 'Crawler left. Is Darkholme sticking around? Any plans? #Darkholme4Life@Remender I can't stand the idea of #KidCrawler being the only Kurt left. Darkholme has so much potential. I'm psyched to see where he goes.
We'll see what hapens. He and Skottie Young, Bendis, Brevoort are pretty good about responding to fans. Fraction, Way, Crain, Wells, not so much.
@Remender Please, Remender-Wan Kenobi... You're our only hope. #Nightcrawler4Life Nightscrawlers.com Darkholme is fun, keep 'im around!
Ult_Sm86 wrote:@Remender Please, Remender-Wan Kenobi... You're our only hope. #Nightcrawler4Life Nightscrawlers.com Darkholme is fun, keep 'im around!
I think that's a definite attention-getter.
I want everyone to know that as a fan, nothing is more important to you than your character and I promise you Marvel knows that. They sometimes pretend to forget, maybe they even do, but it's in their best interests to remember that and don't be afraid to remind them. That's why they're online anyways. If they were afraid of this, they wouldn't "verify" their Formspring or Twitter accounts. (As some of them choose not to).
Ult_Sm86 wrote:If twitter allowed more than 140 characters, I bet it would've been.
Ult_Sm86 wrote:It's too easy to try to turn the clone into the original. See: Laura, Cuckoos.
Laura is a completely separate character from her idiot brother/father. Even from Sabertooth (her... uncle?) She is, without a doubt, one of the most unique members of the Creed/Howlett family line. Her joining the Avengers and making a pointed effort to turn her life around is a testament to that. Easily one of the most underrated characters and it infuriates me that people push her titles under the rug when she doesn't wear school girl clothes covered in blood, or skimpy skin revealing outfits. When she's in jeans and a jacket, running around and giving orders to Gambit, her title gets cancelled. When she's in nearly-nipple-revealing-skin-tight-superhero tights bleeding nameless bad guys and going back to quiet reform, she's a celebrated character. It's sexist and idiotic. One of my big hopes for Darkholme's future is both he and Laura connect, as ex-X-Force members and ex-killers.
Bamfing_Bob wrote:I believe bringing back dead characters takes from the meaning of loss as well. But, regardless... I miss him. Just like you miss a loved one or a close friend, I want him back. Like he never died in the first place. It sucks being such a huge fan and not having him around anymore. Trying to fill the void with Darkholme or Waggoner helps, but it isn't the same. Like diet coke or veggie burgers. I am just selfish I guess...
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