X-Men: 2nd Coming (SAY WHAAAA)

Angelique · Post by **Angelique** » Thu May 13, 2010 1:42 pm

I would expect that that's what the Jewish characters would do at a Jewish funeral. It's not "trying too hard" to get it right.

Ult_Sm86 · Post by **Ult_Sm86** » Thu May 13, 2010 3:04 pm

interesting covers coming out for the "New X-Men" #13. I think

this one is probably my fave, simply because it's symbolic. The other two have the Next Generation of X-Men being featured on the cover, or the older generation looking like they're in defense with the newest, but this cover.... this one stands out. They're blowing away.
To me? It says their time is done. They're not the X-Men they once were, and this is no country for old men.

Elfdame · Post by **Elfdame** » Thu May 13, 2010 3:51 pm

Hate to say this, but when I'm in a comic shop or library perusing X-titles (which I rarely do), I always flip thru them or look at covers for Nighty. No Crawlage, no interest. I am so one-sided. {sigh}

Ult_Sm86 · Post by **Ult_Sm86** » Thu May 13, 2010 3:59 pm

Oh, I'm the same way. If I ever do get an X-Book again, it won't be for a long time, or at the very least until they bring Kurt back. I am curious about all of this and where they could possibly be going, and I'll be reading the Spider-Man comics that bring him to San Francisco.... just to see where the hell they think they're going with that too, but I have a very bad feeling I'll be dropping all marvel altogther (Except Ultimate) very soon. Story/writing can be fantastic, but I'm a fan, and I look for a certain character and if he's not there, it's hard for me to get into it.

But I'm really starting to be turned on to the new "Daredevil" they're pushing. It's flirting with my love for the bad-boy Street delinquent that Murdock is. Now there's a Catholic Character who got written correctly, I can't wait to see where this isall going.

Angelique · Post by **Angelique** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:10 pm

I wouldn't say Daredevil is an example of a Catholic character who's written correctly, considering how saddled he is with stereotypical Catholic guilt.

Plus, he simply isn't as interesting as a certain fuzzy elf who didn't let his baggage keep him down.

Dedicatedfollower467 · Thu May 13, 2010 7:57 pm

It aaaaall depends on the writer, as far as religion goes. A lot of people were able to write Catholic Kurt without necessarily making the religion the defining aspect of his character. But the majority were unable to handle a character with that. So, by attempting to simply acknowledge his religion, they effectively destroyed his character. In that case, I agree, Nightcrawler has waaaaaaaaaay too much baggage.

Doesn't mean he can't be well-written -- he just happens to be a little bit more difficult to write well.

The same for Daredevil. The biggest difference between them is their base characters. At heart, Nightcrawler is a joking swashbuckler, while Murdock is a guilt-ridden avenger. I like to think Daredevil is the Batman of the Marvel universe, while Nightcrawler is almost Robin-esque in his ability to enjoy life to the full, while still kicking butt.

Ult_Sm86 · Post by **Ult_Sm86** » Thu May 13, 2010 8:23 pm

I see Kurt more like the Wally of Marvel U.

But yeah.

Anyways, where the hell is this story going? Honestly?

Trigger · Post by **Trigger** » Thu May 13, 2010 8:44 pm

Well, I managed to borrow a copy of the newest issue from a friend... It was very strange.

Super Quick Overview:

Hope got into a fist fight that turned into a food fight. Scott became all super defensive over her and now he and Cable are mad at each other.

Turns out Beast decided to stay with the x-men for a little while, but he's still super angry with Cyclops.

Pierce blows up the blackbirds and Cyclops issues everyone an order to get ready for an attack.

The very last page is of a disscussion between Hope and Cable where Hope admits that she lied when she told Cable she was "ready."

-End Super Quick Review-

I think that the story is going to boil down to everyone becoming extremely mad at Cyclops and seriously questioning his leadership. Then, out of nowhere Hope is going to save everyone and then all the mutants can continue to bow down to Cyclops and kiss his bum. There is no way Fraction is going to allow his boy Cyclops to come out of this thing looking like a heel.

Angelique · Post by **Angelique** » Thu May 13, 2010 8:53 pm

Trigger wrote: I think that the story is going to boil down to everyone becoming extremely mad at Cyclops and seriously questioning his leadership. Then, out of nowhere Hope is going to save everyone and then all the mutants can continue to bow down to Cyclops and kiss his bum. There is no way Fraction is going to allow his boy Cyclops to come out of this thing looking like a heel.

The funny thing is that Fraction succeeded in making Cyclops look even more like a heel.

kladyelf · Post by **kladyelf** » Fri May 14, 2010 5:55 am

oh...

while Nightcrawler is almost Robin-esque in his ability to enjoy life to the full, while still kicking butt.

and

I see Kurt more like the Wally of Marvel U.

Now i have a mental image of a bemasked Nightcrawler wearing a Short Pants Robin costume with a Where's Wally Hat...

Thanks a lot guys, i don't even draw and you're giving me art bunnies?!?

*mock glare*

Ult_Sm86 · Post by **Ult_Sm86** » Fri May 14, 2010 5:57 am

Wally... West.

.....The Flash.

kladyelf · Post by **kladyelf** » Fri May 14, 2010 6:51 am

Ohhh..... *facepalm*

Ult_Sm86 · Post by **Ult_Sm86** » Fri May 14, 2010 7:05 am

I wonder if Spider-Man is going to show up by the end of this, being he's in Heroic Age, and he's clearly becoming stressed in all 3 of his ongoing series. That'd be great if SOMEONE from Marvel U ignores Scott's orders and says "You're not the general of me, I'm here to help. Suck it the f*ck up."

Though I suppose it would sort of take away from making this a real "Mutant Event" and would come off as "They couldn't do it without help".

.... Which maybe they can't?

The Drastic Spastic · Post by **The Drastic Spastic** » Fri May 14, 2010 8:02 am

Angelique wrote:I would expect that that's what the Jewish characters would do at a Jewish funeral. It's not "trying too hard" to get it right.

I wouldn't expect to see that stuff because none of the characters except the dead one are Jewish (Catholic). It would be silly to see a non-Jewish character wearing a prayer shawl.

Angelique · Post by **Angelique** » Fri May 14, 2010 1:35 pm

Since when is there only one Jew among the mutant population?

Now as for Catholics, even if there was only one, that in and of itself reflects an attitude that rather defeats the purpose of the X-Men in promoting pluralism to have only one token Catholic- and then kill him off.

neling4 · Post by **neling4** » Fri May 14, 2010 3:53 pm

I'm sure there is more than one Catholic mutant. I believe Havok is Catholic, courtesy of Mr. Austin. There is the girl whose leg was cut off recently. Sorry, I can't remember her name at the moment. I thought Rockslide and Sunspot were Catholic, also.

What you have here is a lack of Presbyterians.

:mad

And where is my token Amish mutant?

[Edited on 14/5/10 by neling4]

Ult_Sm86 · Post by **Ult_Sm86** » Fri May 14, 2010 4:04 pm

I wanna know where the Pastafarian is, to be honest.

Amish mutant? That would be pretty cool, I gotta admit. I could do a one-shot where The X team go to Amish Country to help some Amish mutant. He says he handles shit himself and tells the X-Men to get out with their techno-asses off his turf or there will be great verbal displeasure.

ANYWAYS!

I don't know where they're going with this, but I'll be patient and wait it out, watch over someone else's shoulder each week to see how it's progressing.

[Edited on 14/5/10 by Ult_Sm86]

Angelique · Post by **Angelique** » Fri May 14, 2010 5:12 pm

Havok left the Catholic Church, having (also according to Austen) never taken the faith seriously. Karma is too busy being defined as a practicing lesbian to be portrayed as a devout Catholic. (There are ways that handing a character who happens to be both Christian and homosexual can be done well, and I don't trust Marvel at the moment to even bother trying.)

Rockslide may have come from a Catholic background, but is not religious. As for Sunspot, who knows? It may only be that he's considered Catholic just because he's South American. It may be reasonable to assume that he has a Catholic background, but what evidence is given of actually subscribing to the faith?

Banshee's dead. Firebird doesn't appear any more, and when she did, it was as if all her lines were lifted from "touched by an Angel." Firestar doesn't appear any more. Aurora, Dagger and Syrin also never realy interested me as characters.
That being said, there is a very sparse population of openly religious characters in the Marvel U.

Ult_Sm86 · Post by **Ult_Sm86** » Fri May 14, 2010 6:47 pm

Ange, responding to your stuff in the other thread, 'cause as I stated there, I want this to be Second-Coming related.

I expect to see religion and faith become a huge propionate in this plot. Anyone else seeing that develop?

Angelique · Post by **Angelique** » Fri May 14, 2010 7:03 pm

I'd have to be blind to not see that coming- the whole Messiah thing, Cyclops' completely blind faith, Nightcrawler concluding that Cyclops is as much a man of faith as he is because of that blind belief that Hope will do anything, Nightcrawler saying he believed in Hope, so on and so forth.

I'm not impressed.

neling4 · Post by **neling4** » Fri May 14, 2010 7:05 pm

Ult_Sm86 wrote: I expect to see religion and faith become a huge propionate in this plot. Anyone else seeing that develop?

Wouldn't it be grand if Kurt turned out to be the Mutant Messiah, instead of Hope? I would love that.

Hey! That means he will be back in three days, Marvel Universe time.

[Edited on 14/5/10 by neling4]

Ult_Sm86 · Post by **Ult_Sm86** » Fri May 14, 2010 7:08 pm

... that would be pretty interesting....

But highly unlikely. And sort of an ego-boost to Kurt fans, and clearly a dangerous one at that! LOL!

Angelique · Post by **Angelique** » Fri May 14, 2010 7:22 pm

Well, according to Christian teaching, to fit the Messiah bill, you actually have to do something like sacrifice your life for others and then resurrect. All Hope's done is whine, get shuttled around, and cause fights.

Still, I wouldn't be very keen on Nighty being tagged as any mutant messiah. Neither, for that matter, would I think he'd be comfortable with that designation.

Ult_Sm86 · Post by **Ult_Sm86** » Fri May 14, 2010 7:24 pm

Yeah, I would have to agree. He wouldn't be too happy.

I suspect the three fingered arm is going to be a huge bite-in-the-ass later.

Angelique · Post by **Angelique** » Fri May 14, 2010 7:36 pm

Who do you think it's going to bite? Bastion or Marvel editorial?